We were given literal, direct statements to it. Gogeta is the Metamoran Fusion of Goku and Vegeta, formed save the entire DBS Multiverse from jeopardy. Beerus’ only two feats with the move have been against two characters who are fodder compared to him. As with posts, the comments are not a place to promote a political or social agenda. Posts must be some form of battle, competition, or challenge or they are considered off-topic/META and should go in our weekly off-topic discussion posts. In reality Beerus’ actual power is something they’ve kept ambiguous so that when they do use him they can say that he was always that strong at full power so there’s no asspull, it also seems very unlikely that if Beerus was ever surpassed by Goku that they’d make such a little deal like they did (yes UI was impressive and all that but no statements were made confirming strength and Beerus was most likely just impressed Goku achieved such a form). As for Broly, I feel he'd be "At least Low 2-C, possibly 2-C" rather than definitively 2-C, since he was stomped by Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta, who is debatably in the same tier as Ultra Instinct Goku, and is probably stronger than Beerus. Team 1 with Gogeta has the MVP. Not an easy match up for Gogeta. Also proof that Beerus has a big enough power advantage over SSB Gogeta for Gogeta to be unable to overcome his imperfect ultra instinct through sheer power like Jiren did against MUI Goku. Zeno is a being who can erase all of existence in the blink of an eye. However, he saw Jiren's full power, and a huge power up on top of that. If you see a large number of posts about a character, try someone else. So he does have an actual scale, thinking about it. Anime-wise, he could have been surpassed (well, he has by Jiren and UI Goku but I meant by Goku Blue Kaio-ken x20/Vegeta Blue Evolution) or he could simply be 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times stronger than he is right now, we simply just don't know. Sure it's not actually happened by anyone other than Zeno, but TOP Goku scales so far above SSG Goku that it would be a little ridiculous to assume he isn't capable of it. Ultra Instinct vs Fusion!? Meruem (Hunter X Hunter) Vs Chainsaw Man (Chainsaw Man). that statement was replaced by beerus was " What an Unbelievable guy", so if beerus is in mui goku level and that goku defeated jiren than its pretty obvious that beerus> jiren. When was it said Beerus is stronger than Toppo? its to big and add ssb to it , it turns to an unholy stomp in favor of gogeta. Can the US Military replace Santa Claus for one Christmas? Jiren, in the anime, is confirmed stronger than Beerus. Even with a power boost it wouldn’t automatically make him stronger or on the same level as the other GoDs because the power gaps would vary, e.g Goku getting SSJ1 was impressive because he surpassed Frieza but that same SSJ1 wouldn’t have compared to the androids or Perfect Cell. [–]Galaxy_Megatron 13 points14 points15 points 1 year ago (15 children). Distasteful posts for the sake of being "edgy". Well, the movie hinted at him having to use 80% to fight Goku, and 100% to stop a universe busting attack. It MIGHT have even surpassed beerus", the picture doesnt mean anything. Even in the Broly Movie, Beerus was on Earth, just chillin'. He GODSTOMPED a beerus/mui goku level character while suppressed. We saw the diffrence between normal ssj and ssjg in the manga and anime. B. Whis has a complete mastery over his ultra instinct. A full powered MUI Goku might be an annoyance but Beerus just needs to outlast him. He wasn't even scared by Broly's power, to the point where he just chilled with Bulla all day. Yes because arm wrestles are a lot different than an actual fight and when Beerus refuted it was actually a lot calmer than how he’d react if it wasn’t true. If you do not properly flair your post, or reply incorrectly to a post because you didn't know the difference between 'Battle' and 'Scan-Battle', you agree to forfeit to us your soul in perpetuity or another soul of equal or greater value. Lol at him soloing. I'm not sure what the anime equivalent to that was. He wouldn't even need Blue, he could easily do it with SSJG and maybe even pull it off in a hard fought battle in SSJ3, and that's if you say MUI Goku and Beerus are equals. He can dodge all of Gogeta's attacks, and he can one shot him with Hakai. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. I think team 2 can take it mainly because of Jiren. A.Whis is way more powerful than Beerus is. While all fusions have immense power, Gogeta's power is abnormal even by regular standards, as Vegeta and Goku's intense rivalry has brought out an exceptional power. So I’ll ask again in case I wasn’t being clear last time do you have any feats that suggest that Beerus is capable of erasing the likes of SSB Gogeta? If asked, you must provide evidence for your claims or drop the argument. Gogeta is on a whole over level though. Beerus doesn't have MUI and that puts MUI Goku in a higher tier of power than him. Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta vs Ultra Instinct Goku. Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. remember the diffrence between ssj 3 goku and ssjg goku? Admit when you don't know. As for MUI Goku and SSB Gogeta I think MUI Goku can take it because of his speed and reaction time which is pretty much the best we've seen in Dragon Ball yet. Was that confirmed? See this post for details. Failure to treat your fellow users with respect can lead to a warning or ban. Also arguing for Gogeta blue, he clashed with broly broke the boundries of reality and got placed in another dimension until they clashed back in. Jiren sacrificed and sacrificed every year, more and more of himself. This more or less establishes the fact that MUI Goku would be stronger than Beerus. ssj gogeta was already >> ssb goku and vegeta. Beerus is undoubtedly weaker than Jiren and Goku and Gogeta is hard to gauge where he would place. This now includes "You vs" posts as of 29/10/2018; details on why are included in this modpost. [–]CantStopTheRob 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago (0 children). 1 Attack Dialogues 1.1 Super Attacks 2 Match Dialogues 2.1 Sparking 2.2 Team Dialogues 2.3 Match Reset 2.4 Shenron 3 Miscellaneous Dialogues 3.1 Character Selection 3.2 Intro 3.3 Victory 3.4 Results Screen 4 Navigation An asterisk (*) detonates that character has two different lines. [–]armchair_science 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago (0 children). unknowingly downplay. Ssj vegito was massively stronger than potential unleashed Gohan. [–]SSG_Goten 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children). Until actual statements corroborate that and have actual confirmation as to where they rank it’s all a bit up in the air which is part of mystery about gods they seemed to be going for imo. in the V jump magazine it was stated that mastered ultra instinct goku MIGHT have surpassed beerus. [–]TheShrubberyDemander 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago (14 children). [–]Jamano-Eridzander 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago (0 children). team 1 wins, ultra instinct mastered only lasts for a minute lol, beerus also has ultra instinct but imperfect. Unsure of a good way to make your fight more interesting than just "X Character vs. Y Character"? For more information click here. See more ideas about dragon ball, dragon ball z, gogeta and vegito. Overly broad, vague or opinion-reliant posts. Those two are fodder to even Base Gogeta let alone SSB Gogeta. Jiren is confirmed stronger than Belmod, there’s no confirmation on where Belmod ranks among the rest of the GoDs, Beerus could still be stronger. [–]KingPWNinater 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago (5 children). @thekappa78: eh, it was not supposed to mean gogeta ssj > Jiren or UI lol. Poll Gogeta and Beerus vs MUI Goku and LB Jiren (59 votes) Team 1 68% . there is not even one statement where is says jiren> beerus, it was later retconned from the V jump magazine. Regardless, Jiren has far better showings imo. Not only his he skilled, he has abilities that can destroy both of them with ease. @alextheboss: Destruction energy probably won't really do much. 0. Team 2 stomps, Gogeta needs a better teammate. Ultra Instinct Goku is stronger than SSJB Gogeta Dragon Ball - General ... things even more confusing and complicated by bringing in Merus in a debate that was about the anime version of UI Goku vs Beerus. © 2020 reddit inc. All rights reserved. re: Ultra Instinct Goku vs Gogeta Blue quote Vegetto Blue The Saikyo Jump editorial office tells readers: "Frankly, the enemy Goku … And LB Jiren is almost on par with MUI Goku so again, it's basically 2 MUI level characters against Beerus and Gogeta Blue and none of them has MUI. "Fusion. Team 2 should take it handily. At the height of the power weve seen them have on screen (so that's Gogeta Blue when he fought Broly) (edited by administrators) Gogeta Autonomous Ultra Instinct (ability) Autonomous Ultra Instinct Dragon Ball Super: Broly. Instead of the GoD battle royale, the anime had an exhibition match between the two weakest universes, U7 and U9 (the one with the dog trio). Whis also says this to Vegeta when he fights Beerus in the manga and loses the fight. (Christmas). Gogeta was pushed to Blue by Broly, who MIGHT BE stronger than Beerus based only on the power Goku saw of Beerus. Ohh and Beerus ain’t no weak link here erase that idea especially while bloodlust with no Hakai restriction. Even Beerus can’t get Ultra Instinct correctly. [–]SSG_Goten 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (2 children). Check out our Official Submission Template for a few suggestions on how you can structure your battle with additional conditions and formatting to make it more interesting. It might not have specifically said he was stronger than Beerus, but his reputation and displayed power should say enough. If you ask us how to do it, we'll know you didn't read this. It was confirmed that Ultra Instinct Goku is stronger than the Gods of Destruction including Beerus. Hakai has shown to be negated by being stronger, this was shown by Frieza, Goku and Vegeta. Assuming unlimited fusion time, I'm going team 1. They were seriously injuring each other and would've destroyed both U6 and U7 as collateral if the Angels hadn't stepped in. ... TC always insists SSB Fusions are weaker as a whole in the franchise and REREAD the title. It was confirmed that Ultra Instinct Goku is stronger than the Gods of Destruction including Beerus Wrong. He can dodge all of Gogeta's attacks, and he can one shot him with Hakai. You can be banned for a first offense. By TOP universe busting isn't even that impressive. There's some dispute about translation, but I think "probably" is the correct term used. Jiren before he went Limit Breaker was already stronger than Belmod, who might not be as strong as Beerus, but it still says alot. Not saying I agree but people like to bring up the point that Kefla could have killed UI Goku, and while yes this is a fully developed ultra instinct that is leaps and bounds over his previous version, a fusion between Goku and Vegeta would also be leaps and bounds above Kefla especially post ToP fusion between the two. Gogeta >>>>> UI Goku > Brolly >=< Jiren >=< Beerus It’s ambiguous between the last 3 however UI is stronger than all 3 but is close. Since LSSJ Broly is on Beerus' level, then yeah, SSJB Gogeta would have a win here. To submit a battle, click the Goku vs Superman (or Doom vs Vader) button above. B. Whis has a complete mastery over his ultra instinct. Beerus is too lazy for all of that. Be nice. It makes no difference when going up against Jiren now. There's also those that claim Goku doesn't know Beerus' full power, although from a manga standpoint that's false as Beerus had no reason to hold back in the God of Destruction battle royale, which Goku witnessed. Disruptive gimmick accounts will be first warned then removed. Though Gogeta probably has more raw power. Goku only became on the same level as Beerus once he got UI. The penalty for breaking the rules of this sub, contributing to spam, trolling, or purposefully making things more difficult for the mods may include being banned. we have never seen beerus at full power but according to the manga him and quitela are strongest of the 12, ultra instinct mastered was implied to have surpassed beerus in a shonen jump magazine but that was never fully executed in the actual episode. Characters weaker than Jiren and UI Goku like Golden Frieza and SSJBE Vegeta have resisted Hakai. Ultra Instinct. Even in the Broly Movie, Beerus was on Earth, just chillin'. Can he win against all the Jedi that he lost to? while UI‘s boost was huge , it seems ppl are simply to slow to realize how huge the fusion boost was in the movie. And Just because SSJ Broly couldn’t touch Whis doesn’t mean that Beerus is unteachable. [–]Jamano-Eridzander 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children). MUI Goku vs Gogeta. Report rule breaking and leave rule enforcement to the mods. @sup3rn0va: the clash only happened because goku could control his ki hitting beerus, not raw power. It's really simple. Send us a message we'd love to help you with your thread. And we've seen him do it with extreme ease. I don’t remember seeing that in the movie (though it’s been a while). Beerus' Hakai won't be landing on both Goku and Jiren cause of their massively superior reaction speeds. Beerus said "now we're getting somewhere" about Gogeta, who Broly couldn't keep up with, showing Gogeta is starting to reach the realms of Beerus' power. After all he wouldn’t even dare confront the Grand Priest when his existence was at stake in the ToP instead he tried to ask Whis to bribe his father to ensure his survival. Any posts that do not promote evidence-based debate. There's also those that claim Goku doesn't know Beerus' full power, although from a manga standpoint that's false as Beerus had no reason to hold back in the God of Destruction battle royale, which Goku witnessed. I can see Gogeta defeating the other team, especially with the help of Beerus. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Beerus is a weak link. After all Beerus needs to be more powerful Gogeta for Gogeta to be unable to resist his hakai. and how Goku said full power Broly is “maybe” stronger than Beerus. The feat you are talking is a space-time warping feat from what I can see, it is pretty impressive but Majin Buu did a similar thing way back in the Buu Arc (althought that dimension was already connected to Earth), but this time is much more casual too. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. UI Goku and Jiren should be above Beerus as of now due to current statements, but Borly was hyped to be stronger than Jiren in promotional material, and he has the feats to back him being Jiren tier up, and Gogeta has the clear advantage over him. Yeah but the manga at least seems more consistent to debate in many aspects (like the shockwave feat, which is much more clear im the manga than in the anime in my opinion), but debating the anime is fine too. Meaning Broly, and Jiren are non factors in this fight as neither of them have any hax. Or a fusion with Ultra Instinct. @takenstew22: Considering Vegeta alone is stronger than Toppo, and how Goku said full power Broly is “maybe” stronger than Beerus, and how Beerus was finessing multiple gods of destruction at once in the manga, I would say it’s fairly obvious. 1 Attack Dialogues 1.1 Super Attacks 1.2 Meteor Attack 2 Match Dialogues 2.1 Sparking 2.2 Team Dialogues 2.3 Match Reset 2.4 Shenron 3 Miscellaneous Dialogues 3.1 Character Selection 3.2 Intro 3.3 Victory 3.4 Defeat 3.5 Results Screen 4 Navigation An asterisk (*) detonates that character has two different lines. "Your Favorite/Least Favorite" character threads are not allowed due to lack of discussion these types of threads generate. His shirt wouldn't even come off. I think it's pretty evident at this point that Broly is stronger than Beerus. Goku has stated in the movie that Broly maybe even more powerful than Beerus which should place Broly at the realm of the gods destruction and Gogeta absolutely stomped him with a smile on his face. SSJB Gogeta is only “possibly stronger than Beerus”Tries citing a movie that doesn't have complete 100% compatibility with neither the Anime nor Manga and doesn't even get the fact right; it was Broly, not Gogeta. Hakai has shown to be close range, far range and as energy releases. He was likely at full power when he fought Champa after the baseball game. Only the Manga. For a guide on flairing and how to filter out flairs you don't like, click here. can earth ( marvel ) survive a a tyranid invasion, 3 minmaxed Skyrim stealth archers vs the sly cooper trilogy. If we go by anime canon, Gogeta is probably far stronger than Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken and Evolved Super Saiyan Blue since Goku and Vegeta resorted to fusion to fight Broly instead of using any of these forms, alongside with those statements. Fusion is generally> the strongest non fused character. If you're going to repost try to broaden or change the discussion to keep it fresh. UI Beerus + Hakai form is a force to be reckoned with, that I think alot of people on this sub unknowingly downplay. Beerus may be the weakest, but he has the most experience, has partial UI as well, and is arguably the most versatile and has the advantage of destruction energy. @alextheboss: I don't agree with Broly being stronger than LB Jiren, but yeah he's atleast in the same tier. Brolly who is stated to be stronger or close to Beerus in power, got treated like a child having a tantrum by Gogeta. Oh hell yes. 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